Emily Race-Newmark: [00:00:00] Welcome to This is How We Care, a podcast where we look at what it means to embody care, not as an individual practice, but a collective one, and to see what kind of world emerges from this place.

Thank you for being here. I am your host, Emily Race.

Today's episode explores our understanding of women's health, our connections to planetary health, and some of the wisdom that Traditional Mexican Medicine can offer us regardless of how we identify. 

This is a great conversation for anyone seeking a more holistic viewpoint on health itself; including those who are looking for alternative approaches to what the mainstream health culture may tell us about how to treat different symptoms we may be experiencing.

I'll emphasize here that this conversation is especially critical for any woman experiencing health issues like burnout, anxiety, depression, irregular menstrual cycles, or questions around fertility, which we'll touch on throughout this conversation. 

Metzli Lopez Torres: We have been taught [00:01:00]   that we need to quit all our femininity, to be successful. To make money, basically. But this is very specific for very specific purposes and in very specific societies. 

Unfortunately, this is cause of our idea of progress right now. " We need to detach from our own bodies. It doesn't matter if you are male, female, whatever body you have, it just doesn't matter. It just matters that you work. It matters that you make money. It matters that you produce and consume also in this way." And that's it, right? 

What we need to understand is that I think in the last two centuries or in the last century, after all of these women going outside their houses and start working, using birth control methods, doing all of this, now that when we analyze what's happening is now women are more sick. They are more tired. They're more depressed. They're regretting not having children. 

You really don't know how many women I have in my appointments that they're [00:02:00] forty-five, forty-eight and they want to have a baby. They're like, "It's just that when I was twenty-eight, when I was thirty, when I was thirty-five, I just was focused on working because I thought that was the thing, and now, I just realized that I have all of that and I feel empty."

 For me, it's just so intense, because we are in a society that is injecting that all the time. That is saying, "detach from your body, from your menstruation, from your ovulation," from all of this. So right now, women, they even don't know when they have their periods. We have lost so much track of it. It is like, "well, it's gonna be somewhere next month," but really not [Laughter] embracing what it means, or changing our lives based on that. Because the new thing is like, "I can work. I can run. I can do all of same as a man."

 That was what we believe was, or still, what we think is like being successful, is just being exactly like a man. That, "I can work bleeding. I [00:03:00] can run bleeding."

 When I'm thinking like, "No, we should not be doing that."

If you want that, it's cool. It's good that you can have the access now to do it but it doesn't mean we have to do it. It doesn't mean that doing that, we're going to be in the same level because we're in the same level. 

It's just that our body works very different. And the system that we are right now is built for men, because it was built for men. Men can work these long hours every day the same way because their hormonal changes are totally different than for women. 

So of course when women they start going out to work, they didn't start doing work for women. They started doing the work that it was for men, right? [Laughter] and it has continued like that. So we have been working like men all this time. And right now we are sick. We are tired. We are depressed. We need to just feel our bodies, really be true to what our body feels. And the answer is right there. 

Sometimes I'm menstruating, [00:04:00] I don't feel like working those eight hours. I need to rest. I need more quiet, some women they get really sensitive. They cry a lot. They cannot talk as well with other people and that's fine. There is nothing wrong to feel sometimes like you are on your edge, like, "I just don't want to talk with anybody."

That's okay. That's part also of the changes and we need to remove this stigma of, "she's hysterical," because we also have been labeled all of these as something wrong when it's something so natural, [Laughter] also part of our body, and we need those times. It's just that our society is not keeping up with that, and we need to change that.

Emily Race-Newmark: I'm hearing it's less about us trying to fit into a particular shape that it doesn't actually fit us, but rather reshaping society and the cultural norm so that it actually benefits everybody. Because I would imagine that we could all benefit regardless of our sex or gender from a more cyclical way of living and not trying to just always be at [00:05:00] this high production, like high extroversion energy all of the time, that sun energy all of the time. There's seasons that you can see in nature as that reminder. 

You just heard from Metztli Lopez Torres, who's been working professionally in the topic, in topics related to pregnancy, childbirth, and postpartum, with an emphasis in traditional Mexican medicine, traditional midwifery of Mexico, and feminism for over 20 years. 

I received the gift of joining one of Metztlis workshops and was instantly drawn to bringing her onto the show so she could share some of her wisdom here with you all.

We originally recorded this conversation in April of 2023. 

Metzli Lopez Torres: My name is Metztli Lopez Torres. I'm a Mexican immigrant. I arrived here to the United States nine years ago. I came with my family. I'm a mother of three children. 

I'm a traditional birth worker and body worker. This means that the services that I [00:06:00] provide and the perspective and the work that I do is really based on the Mexican tradition, we will say, but these come from an indigenous tradition , and I have a business.

So, , I'm the owner of Luna Mama services. Luna Mama was born in Mexico. 

My state is called Veracruz. So I'm right there in the Gulf of Mexico. We will think because we are right next to the Gulf that is warm, but actually I'm from the mountains, so it's very high altitude and it's cold. I'm come from the rainforest, maybe the proper name is cloud forest, that's how it's called. 

Luna Mama was born there in the cloud forest in 2012. 

While I was there, it was more to provide doula services and childbirth education, and to connect new mothers to something that we call in Spanish 'crianza con apego'. This kind of natural way to relate to your baby—co sleeping, breastfeeding, baby wearing— all these natural ways we have been doing for [00:07:00] generations in every part of the world. . 

My focus at that time, it was to return this to new mothers, getting out of this idea that co sleeping, it was something bad for the baby or, breastfeeding for longer periods of time because there was always this Western idea of, "that's bad for the baby, we should, not sleep with baby because it's dangerous," and, "babies, they get used to it and then they don't want to get out of your bed later," things like that. 

I was really like , "No, this is just a natural way to do it." and also connecting women to traditional midwives for those women that they were looking for having a baby outside of the hospital and things like that. 

I come from a place where traditional midwifery, is in extinction. There are very few traditional midwives, and I was working with them. 

So for me, it was very important just to be a bridge between all these women that they wanted these different type of care and experience of having a [00:08:00] baby. At the same time, bringing back these older midwives that they have so much knowledge. It's not something from the past. Just to recognize their work and to bring them back to say, "Hey, they're right here and we should really use these services just because it's part of our culture too."

 So that's what I was doing. But then I moved here and then is when everything changed because this is a different country, the situation was different. 

I started thinking, "Okay, how I'm going to just move my business?" To continue doing a little bit of what I was doing, but in a different way, based on the needs of this country is when I just decide that I will move more toward connecting women to natural ways to take care of their bodies in different stages of life. 

So everything is just basically centered on the womb. These traditional ways of taking care of ourselves and others taking care of ourselves during the first fourty days and beyond that too. 

 [00:09:00] Menstruation, like all these natural cycles and how we can work with our bodies to be more healthy, but in a natural approach that is more traditional, more close to the earth, more with herbs, that is not exactly going to the doctor to take pills. 

Metzli Lopez Torres: And I do something that is called sobada, which is this traditional bodywork, which is very different from a massage. It's really deep. And I always say that because sometimes I have clients that they come they think they're going to get a massage and I'm like, "No, you're not going to get a massage, you're really going to get like a bodywork. It's very deep."

 The difference between these, and we will say maybe, lymphatic drainage massage, which could be closer for the deepness of how we go deep in the tissue, is that there is a lot of prayer in the work that we do. And we touch very specific points that in our perspective, are points of energy that we need to move or we need to awake so the [00:10:00] body can heal by itself. So it's really more spiritual, and physical and emotional. That's what the sobada is. And that's what people do in Mexico, these traditional sobadoras. So yeah, so that's the work that I'm doing right now here and what Luna Mama 

Emily Race-Newmark: Amazing. Thank you for sharing all that. And I feel like there's so many areas we could go deeper in and we'll probably weave in and out, but something that I really want to save time for is your vision for the world. 

Because I felt like a fire in your voice when you were speaking about kind of the time that we're in right now and the urgency behind rethinking our relationship to our health, the planet, and especially women's health —the role of women in all of that. 

I'd love to spend some time there. What would you say is broadly your vision for the world?

Metzli Lopez Torres: So, after COVID, the very early time of when we understood what was happening and all of this.

I remember listening, this was an indigenous man from Ecuador, and he was talking that right now, we are [00:11:00] building what is going to happen in the following 2, 000 years that they're going to come.

My work has been all the time related to nature, but really it was when I just felt like, no, I mean, we really need to, or I really need to, continue doing this work of, having a, a real or a close relationship with nature, right? So We're part of nature. The thing is that we're not separate from it. We are her, and she is us. Whatever happened in the planet, whatever happened in the land is gonna be us, and vice versa, right? 

So for me, it was very important to be conscious that 'we' as women, very specifically, we have a very, very specific energy that is very related to nature. All humans we have, but us as women, we're basically like the Earth. We are an earth itself. If you think about the land, Earth is, fertility, something that brings life— and we can do that. [Laughter] 

We have the [00:12:00] amazing thing, our body to our womb, to make life. And if we think about life, life is not only these things, like you're born, and then you grow and all of these kind of cycle. In my perspective, and these traditional perspective that I grew up, we have a spirit and a soul, but also there is this energy that is just so unique of each of us. 

And this energy that also connect us to nature and to other people. So we are all the time in this interchange of waving energy. When nature create these body that we are right now, it's really to be in that close relationship with our body, with nature, but also with others. So for me, women, we are the healers. We have this essence inside us—in our heart, in our womb, in our body, because we are life gifters. Because we are the ones who can create this. 

Of course we need the seed, right? And that's the other part. So it's this balance that we live. We need [00:13:00] the other part to create, but really when we start tapping in this energy that we have and in this amazing gift that were gifted to us, it's when we started really seeing we can heal ourself, we can heal others. 

And I think most people that are listening right now can maybe relate it to, maybe it was a grandmother or their own mothers, when you were sick that they were taking care of you. That they were maybe thinking, "okay, I'm going to give you this and that," things like that. 

It's like this female line that, it's very unique. We need to recognize is that, nowadays, they have been the science and this Western world really to try to detach from these to say, "Okay, no, this has been like an imposed role", and I used to believe that, because I was a very hardcore feminist in that way of , "No, you know. This has been just to keep us down."

 I'm still a feminist. When I started working with my own body and really going inside my thoughts and all of these beliefs is when I [00:14:00] start realizing that "No, actually, this has been our gift and what is really trying to detach us from it is this system."

Metzli Lopez Torres: So this system that is telling us we are not that special. We are not that important. We are not that magic. Putting everything in this kind of male brain of, " it's going to make money or not, it's going to produce or not," and then of course when we enter in this matrix then we start believing that. 

We start thinking, "yeah, we don't carry that," but actually, in my perspective, is quite the opposite. Is we have it, is part of us, and actually what we need to go against all they have been telling us is like " embrace these and make it bigger."

 So that's what I really envision and what I really think women, we should be working because that is what is going to bring this other two-thousand years that are going to come of healing. So we need to work on that. 

We are just over the top of exploitation of everything that is happening, and we really can change [00:15:00] that. And I think that also is part of our female work. And I'm very happy to take that. I'm very proud. Many women are also in the same thing. So we can do it. 

Emily Race-Newmark: What you're really pointing to is, actually, if we want to look at what is needed in this time, it's within the magic of the womb or the magic of the earth or the magic that women hold. 

So there is something actually I would love to dive into more around in terms of thinking about health differently. You keep talking about the menstrual cycle.

I've learned, recently, later in my life, that we can actually look to our menstrual cycle as a sixth vital sign. And so there's so much wisdom to know there. And yet I feel like, at least in the Western medicine, there's not much knowledge being shared or I'm like how to make sense of your menstrual cycle.

So can you share from the work that you do, what questions might they ask themselves, or what might they look for if they're trying to live more cyclically? 

Metzli Lopez Torres: Yeah. I will say, starting from feeling our body every day. That's the main thing that we should be doing. Take a deep breath and just like, "Okay, how things are doing in my body?"

And then [00:16:00] from there, start really growing our relationship with different organs that we have. And one of us, it will be your womb. 

Some of the things that I like to teach and talk with my clients is about understanding our cycles. Everybody is going to be different too. Some women, they may feel with more energy and things like that during ovulation. Our skin changes. Everything is just turned to this beautiful goddess right there because we're looking for that. In simple terms, we are built for reproduction—m en and women, we're animals. We need to continue with the species. Naturally, that's biologically, we like it or not. It's like that. We're animals. That's it. 

But the thing is also that, were these animals with these big brain and we have created all these amazing cultures around the world for so many thousands of years. 

We need also to understand our cycle. First is starting from knowing when we're going to get our cycle. If our cycle, is twenty-eight, twenty-nine, thirty, thirty-five, it can look different. One of the things is that not all women that are going to have their [00:17:00] period every twent-eight days. And one of those that I don't have my periods every 28 days, and it's okay. I have it every maybe twenty-nine, thirty, thirty-one. you It can change maybe one day or two days per month. And that's totally normal too. For some women, it can be like every thirty-three days, and that's okay too because that's her cycle. So our cycles are different too. 

Many of us, we can be close to phases of the moon too. That helps a lot also to understand these cycles that we are in. Understanding how the moon and other natural things around us affect us, so that's also very important. For some women, maybe being close to nature in like the forest, things like that make them feel more relaxed. And for other ones, can be the beach. We really are affected by nature. So we need to understand where our body also feel the best, and what kind of environments our body can feel better. 

You know, From our menstruation, it's also the same. It's just trying to [00:18:00] understand what happened inside us and what things are happening outside us that are affecting us. And one of the main things is understanding to read our blood. Our blood is one of those signs that is going to give us so much information about what's happening in our body. I have encountered a lot of women, they don't even look at their blood because there has been like this idea that that's disgusting and it's something that we should basically keep secret is nobody should know that we are bleeding. [Laughter]

Emily Race-Newmark: I was even going to say, even as we're talking about this, it feels so radical because it's like, "Oh my gosh, we're talking about something that is normally like hidden, or we pretend it doesn't happen at all."

And yet think about all this wisdom around our own health, as you're pointing to, that we're missing out on. 

Metzli Lopez Torres: Totally. We should not only know about the color of our blood, we should talk with other women about that. Because when we share information, then we can know more, you see?

And the thing about our [00:19:00] blood is that it change based on many things that are happening in our life. There are some signs that we should be really aware. For example, brown blood or maybe a really dark color is a sign for us that there is a lot of coldness in the womb and that is related also to our liver. So we need to work on that to clean that. So we need to bring heat and warmth to the body, to the womb. 

Other thing could be, just have very painful or many days bleeding, that also is a sign that things are not okay, and we need to work on that. When this happen, most of the time you go to a Western doctor and they're going to give you pills. And basically, right now, they're giving pills to fourteen, fifteen year old girls. It's crazy. Because there are other ways to work with this. 

Maybe you're not going to go with someone like me, but there is right now here, there is so much access to traditional Chinese medicine and things like that, that they really can work with that in so [00:20:00] many ways that are natural, more connected to your body. But again, it's really understanding our blood. And our bleeding also is going to be related, to our emotions.

When you are following more your heart, when you are doing things that you're fine in your life. And when I'm talking about being fine, I'm not talking about having like the house and the car or all kinds of luxury stuff, I'm talking about having really peace in your heart. And do things that brings you joy in your life. And this can look very different for many people. Our menstruation tend also to be in a very beautiful red, fresh red. We don't have a lot of pain, and we're not going to accomplish this with pills, to be honest. We accomplish this through the way that we live our life. 

In this traditional perspective, we believe that our womb is our second heart. So when someone has problems in their womb, in their menstruation, the question that we need to ask [00:21:00] ourselves is, "What is happening in our heart?" 

And that, oof, is just so deep. So many things there—our relationship with ourselves, our relationship with others, our relationship with our children, with our partner, with our mother, with work even. It's going to express right there in your womb. And it's going to be expressed right there in your menstruation. It's crazy, but it is because that's the gift that we got. That's the gift that was gifted to us to understand what was happening, to heal that. Because when we heal, because we are the ones that we give life, we can be in harmony with our families, with others. So we need to work on that. It is really ourselves. If we're okay, we can make others be okay. And that's just so beautiful and so important. I just get crazy about this. 

Emily Race-Newmark: I also wanted to ask you, there's this really beautiful parallel I see visually between, as you're describing different types of menstrual blood, what something that looks [00:22:00] healthy looks like versus not?

And I look out in the world around me at the Earth and you can see like when soil looks fertile and healthy versus not, or the trees are... you can see in the natural, it's external world, I guess I would say ,when something looks healthy versus depleted.

Do you have thoughts on this connection? 

Metzli Lopez Torres: Yes. We are this amazing ecosystem. So when we think about how we were created to produce breast milk, to even make food, it's just like, "What? Wait, how does that happen?"

We make food. It's just for humans, for own species. For me, it's just fascinating. And we don't any kind of milk, we produce a human milk that will change based on the needs of our baby. And this interaction that happened when you put your baby to latch and if your baby sick, how your nipples are going to recognize that and they're going to produce that [00:23:00] specific medicine for this baby. Same if you have a preemie baby, you're going to produce breast milk for that preemie baby that is going to contain those specific nutrients, everything like caloric content, all of that for this baby that needs this. 

And this happen in many parts of our body. So again, the importance of having these vaginal births. What it brings to create these, not only to squeeze those fluids from the lungs of the baby so the baby could do these big breath when baby's born, but also that these colonize with all of these bacteria that we have very specific in our vagina that is going to be a protection for the baby. 

So all of these things are in the micro level that are so perfectly designed to survive. Basically, to be alive, to continue with our species. That happens in our body. 

Our ecosystem is the same, as that you can see outside. We [00:24:00] grow all of these bacteria, all of these important parts of nature that are outside, but that we can create that too and to make ourselves not only be healthy, but really to help our own children to be healthy.

I think we can see this also, for example, in our own skin. If our skin looks way too dry, you can see that in the land. So the land is exactly the same. When I'm in my sessions, we talk about our veins you know, are almost like rivers of those streams that we can see outside. We have those streams inside us. So we have all of these so many similar things. Our lungs. Our lungs are like these huge trees that are also breathing in and breathing out that this cleansing that is happening, right? And our womb is really the Earth. Our womb is a garden. 

Emily Race-Newmark: Mhm. I feel like for our listeners who are not familiar with traditional Mexican medicine, how would you just explain that lens that, that TMM brings for health, and why that's important to think about [00:25:00] here and now? 

Metzli Lopez Torres: Yes. Maybe one of the things that it could be more related to it and people can feel a little bit more connected will be traditional Chinese medicine, but also Ayurvedic medicine. So all of these ancient traditions, they're not the same, but they have very similar things about understanding the cold and warm. There is a balance between these two. And it needs to be a balance to be healthy. In traditional Mexican medicine, we see everything basically in dualisms.

There is the sun and the moon, the day and the light, the female and the male, the dry and wet. Everything just goes like that, right? It doesn't mean it's the only one, there is in between these two, but this dualism is the starting points of everything.

For us, we not only believe that our bodies they move in these temperatures, but also even fruits, vegetables, the night. The night for us is cold. And the day is warm. So it's basically almost [00:26:00] like logic if we start thinking about it. 

And the same happened with the spirit and the soul. So these are two different things and in traditional Mexican medicine, we believe that the soul and the spirit, they are together in this dualism. They work together too. 

Your soul leaves your body when you're gone, when you die from this reality that we know in your soul, it doesn't die. It's just going to continue and he's going to go to the other realm that we cannot see right now. Because for us right now, we are in a very specific realm, but when we die, we go to a different one that is parallel to this one. So we're all the time moving in these two. And that's the reason why for all the people that die, it's only the physical part that die, but we bring them back when we do Dia de Muertos, all of these traditions, because we believe actually their soul is still alive.

But the spirit is something that moves more than the soul. So the soul, it will be more like the one that we have, and [00:27:00] it's very hard that we lose it again. Because we when we lose it, we die. But our spirit can definitely move, can abandon our body. And then when this happen is when we start seeing all of these disease or all of these problems that is when you need the help of the curandera, the curandero, this could be a woman or a man, and their work is basically to bring back that spirit to the place that where it belongs so the person can be aligned again and be healthy. The more common word people will think about is a shaman. 

So for us, everything that we see around it has a spirit. The air has a spirit. Rocks they have a spirit. The fire has a spirit. The water has a spirit. Everything has a spirit. And we are all the time interacting with these energies. When we breathe, we are bringing in this spirit of the air inside us. It's not oxygen. So it's the spirit of the air that we're bringing inside us is taking everything that we don't need, [00:28:00] and it's sending this out of our body. 

So, that's a little bit about traditional Mexican medicine. So it's this idea that everything has a soul, everything has a spirit. We're interacting all the time with these energies, and all of this is related to nature, everything. 

So our health is going to be based on the relationship that we have with nature. So we have a bad relationship with nature, it's going to bring disease in our body. And for me, it's logic to think that if we're poisoning our land and then we're eating that food later on, we're poisoning our body. Not only we're poisoning the land, we're basically poisoning ourselves. 

right? 

Emily Race-Newmark: From a personal perspective, I used to work in corporate America and I felt like a lot of people were walking around without their spirit. They just felt like they were dead inside. Is that kind of what you're referring to as well?

Metzli Lopez Torres: No, yeah, totally. You're totally right. We can continue living, being, doing whatever we're doing, and our spirit cannot be [00:29:00] there. And that actually is something very serious because we're just continue living, but without the purpose. 

In traditional Mexican medicine, for example, we see mental problems as a spiritual problem. a person that has depression, a person that has schizophrenia, a person that has all of these diseases—from us, is a spiritual problem. And then it needs to go with the healer to heal this, to bring back this spirit where it belongs so then this person can find their purpose and continue. 

 The thing about understanding our spirit in this way, what you just mentioned, is that when we have a big shock, a big impact in our life, that will move our spirit. And these could be all kinds of things. It can be from being in a car accident, maybe fall from stairs or even childbirth. And childbirth is, it's a big shock. It has every way that we can think of, it's a big [00:30:00] thing. It's something so intense when you are right there, that in our perspective, you need this very specific care after you have a baby, for example, to manage this shock that the spirit just happened.

Because in our perspective, when a woman has a baby, she needs to claim the soul of this baby in the spiritual realm to bring this baby alive to this world. And that's a big thing. Some babies don't make it. And from our perspective, is you know because that was not granted at that time. There is no this idea of it was a human thing. 

when we don't take care of the person that just went through a big shock properly, this person can continue alive, but this person may have or will have a lot of mental and physical problems. So we really need to take care of this person in very specific ways. 

 Most of the time are related not only [00:31:00] with the care that is provided by a very specific person that knows these ways, but also with the use of plants. We need the spirit of these plants, very specific plants asked to these plants to help us or help the person to heal. Because again, in our perspective, when we see, let's say, just chamomile. We're not just seeing a beautiful flower that is white with a yellow center and that smells so good. And no, we're really seeing the spirit right there that is just being beautiful and bright and saying, "I'm here to help you."

So then we ask permission to these very specific plants to help. We need to talk with the plant. We need to ask that spirit to help us in whatever purpose we are trying to use it. And then the energy of the plants can help to heal this [00:32:00] person. So it's just very beautiful, very connected. And this is something that is found in so many indigenous communities around the world. It's like the same idea that it's really the plants, they have spirit and the medicine of that spirit will help heal the person.

Emily Race-Newmark: To summarize in a sense what your vision for health might be, it's returning to this relationship, this interconnection that we have with all these other spirits that surround us that we're working with. And I remember you mentioned in our workshop, the need to create an altar and to engage in that aspect of prayer. What would you just quickly say on that piece of prayer in here?

Metzli Lopez Torres: So, yeah, like that's essential. So 50% of our health in our perspective is going to be the prayer. [Laughter] So we just need to have these out there. We really need to connect with the spiritual world. There is no other way to understand these and to really heal. When we're talking about healing, is not about just being healthy. [00:33:00] It's about this spiritual part that we have and this doesn't mean we need to go to church or things like that, because I don't go to church. It's really have a spiritual life. And really understand that we all have this spirit, and we need to be respectful of it. And we need to call for it too when it's needed. 

I have been practicing this for so many years. It's not just something that I will just come here to say or that I just think it's real. It heals. When we start seeing these miracles happening, it's amazing because We have been so far from it, but it's part of all of us. You don't need to be part of any church. You don't need to be of any kind of race or anything. All of us, we have it. We just need to go back to it. Mm hmm.

Emily Race-Newmark: So I'd like to close out each of these conversations with some invitations for action for folks to leave with.

If people were to pause the podcast right now and take an action that would help bring your vision to [00:34:00] life what would that action be? 

Metzli Lopez Torres: Be present, you know, feel your body. Taking those breaks to do that is essential for understanding who we are. And look around, just sit and look around, and what is around you, you're in your bedroom, you're in your office, what's the temperature, is cold, is warm, how your body feels, are you thirsty, do you need to go to the bathroom, just being in this awareness is important, now and then we cannot be there all the time, but that small action can change everything.

Emily Race-Newmark: Hmm. 

Amazing thank you, Metztli, for all that you are doing, who you are, the wisdom that you shared today. And it's really wasn't enough for me. I want more. But I feel like this was a great introduction for many people.

So thanks for being with us. 

Metzli Lopez Torres: Thank you. Thank you for having me. I have a great day.

Emily Race-Newmark: Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this conversation with Metztli and want to stay connected, you can follow her on Instagram @lunamama_services or at her website lunamaman.Net. Both of these are [00:35:00] linked over at our website thisishowecare.com where you can also sign up for a newsletter to receive practices and prompts from guests like Metztli to support you in bringing some of the visions shared here today alive in your own life.

Metztli shares a lot of great information on her Instagram and you can also stay in the loop there to learn about upcoming workshops, both in person and virtually.

For those who are located in San Diego, you can book a session directly with Metztli for support with anything from womb health, menstruation, menopause, and pregnancy. You can also book a virtual consultation if that speaks to you. 

and of course, If you think this episode would resonate with someone in your life, please, please, please share it with them.

mentioned at the end of our conversation that not everything is for us, but it may be for someone else that we're connected to, and by passing that along and moving that energy through, we are supporting one another in embodying a world of collective care. 

This episode was produced by me, Emily Race, co produced by Kimberly Anne, with production consultation [00:36:00] from Jenner Pascua, With final editing by Andrew Salamone and music by Eric Weisberg.

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