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[00:00:00] Emily Race: Welcome to the Founding Mothers podcast, where we're imagining new ways of living with one another and our planet. I'm your host, Emily Race. Today we are in conversation with Kalah Hill.

Freedom doula and pleasure activist Kalah Hill is the founder of "In Pleasure We Trust." Kalah rests in trusting that when people affirm and integrate their pleasure, freedom will be born.

She's a guide of equanimity, truth and solidarity. Through her many years as a student of trust, Kalah regenerates space with her clients, with care and sweet rootedness. Love and freedom are not languages of constriction. Rather, they both speak of expanse and orient towards that which is possibility. Kalah guides those who are ready to arrive within the heart spaces where all sensation meets.

[00:00:59] Kalah Hill: A lot of times, we go towards the pain, which is another conduit for alchemy, one that I’m deeply aware of and deeply respect and honor. I don't think that this is better or worse, but you did ask me about my dream. My dream is to actually go in the other direction. I would love to go in the other direction and really see what can manifest from a space of care, from a space of love, from a space of surrender. 

[00:01:28] Emily Race: Kalah evokes permission for sovereignty within the landscape of our social interdependency. In her work, she unravels the illusions of systemic oppression that create communities of conformity and insatiability.

Kalah's experience and facilitation ranges over the course of the last 15 years, including a Master's Degree in biological and ecosystem based sciences, a 500 hour somatic coaching certification, social justice and activism, a woman of the maiden to mother lineage, Trauma of Money certified trainee and four years of postpartum doula work. Kalah currently resides in Costa Rica and travels to New York City and Mexico City frequently.

Hello and thank you, Kalah, for being with us today. I'm really looking forward to this conversation and am happy to be here with you. I'd love to start by hearing a bit about who you are, if you could share that with our listeners.

[00:02:23] Kalah Hill: It's interesting. Who am I? Who are we? I am human. I know that. I know I'm a human being having a spiritual experience. I want to say I'm a spiritual being, having human experience. And I created my own path, my own way, my own definition of self.

Some of the ways in which I describe my work and my vision is through the term “freedom doula.” I’m a freedom doula, and I help people birth their liberation, their freedom. I support and witness and observe and stand in solidarity with liberation. And I am a pleasure activist. I actually use and utilize pleasure activism, the activation of pleasure within our nervous systems and bodies to help people liberate themselves.

For me, pleasure is the gateway to the birthing process of freedom, or one gateway to the birthing process of liberation. There are infinite gateways to liberation.

I'm also a receptivity alchemist. I honor the vessel in which we are literally one big walking receptor.

I help people embody and come into receiving the fullness. The satiation, the pleasure. It's actually quite paradoxical. In order for one to receive deep satisfaction, one has to also understand what deep dissatisfaction feels like, right?  There is this paradox in receptivity that happens. In order for us to fully receive a moment, we have to know the opposite. We have to know and understand polarity and paradox really well. I'm also a receptivity alchemist.

Last but not least, my initial entry into this human form is that I am a love child. I was born and conceived from a one night encounter between my parents. There was nothing else that occurred after that one night between the two of them. My birth story is one of love's disruption and how the taboo can actually be the way home. The origin of my being comes from a very revolutionary place that is the love child that lives inside of me and with me, and that I tend and care to as I mature and develop my practice. 

[00:05:04] Emily Race: I love these names for who you are and what you do. They feel so creative and liberating in themselves. I'd love to unpack what liberation means to you, but to first go to what you just shared around the love child and your initiation into the world, so to speak. It's such a beautiful tie to the work that you're doing and who you are. I love that you incorporate that into your story. Is there anything else, aside from that conception point that has shaped the work that you're doing, that journey to now?

[00:05:39] Kalah Hill: Every experience of my life. I would say that my life experience is my qualification in the movement of liberation and freedom. I would say I have some pointed aspects of my orientation. I am a biracial black woman. I am bisexual. I am polyamorous.

In those social orientations, there's a lot of intersection, and there are a lot of bridges being built. I think those intersections really have created so much in facilitating my fullest expression. My ability to be in my liberation has warranted an ability to say yes to the tools, the ways of being that one would have to orient towards and skillfully practice in order to become free.

It's always a process, right? I think that I'm going to be practicing and learning how to be more liberated and more free every single day for the rest of my life. I've facilitated a great awakening in myself, I'd say for my whole life. But essentially six years ago I made a really big leap and left the United States, for example. That was a big one and was definitely a catalyst into awakening the business, awakening In Pleasure We Trust and starting to be of service and to help clients. But really I've always been in this place of “I need to honor me,” and I feel that's possible to do that and to be in deep connection to this world, in deep service and in deep community and respect of others.

I want that for everyone. I want everyone to feel as good and as content as possible inside their own skin. To me it's a learning of how to be fully received and feel safe enough to share. I want that for everyone. That's my mission. And it always looks so different for every single person.

That's what's so interesting about it. It doesn't put me into a state of despair, saying “Oh, this is so much work, because everyone's so different.” It's more about how interesting it is that everyone is so different. I was a postpartum doula for a while, and I had postpartum clients, and every single mother that I worked with was so different. Every single one. There wasn't a common thread, other than the common thread was love. 

What comes from that is so radical and so unique to the mother that I couldn't go into a situation and say, “This is what worked for her. It should have worked for you.” Instead, I say, “Let's see what works for you. Let's see what feels good. Let's actually run with the organic orchestration of your unfolding as a mother. Let's not try to predict or attach or expect. We’re really dropping expectations, so let's sink into the realm of your authentic expression as a mother.”

That gave me a lot of practice in the work of liberation because it really is about choice to me. A big, critical pillar of freedom is choice and agency. Being able to be that advocate for the mothers that I worked with means saying “It's your choice.” You get to choose how you're bringing this child into the world. You get to choose how you're raising it. And you get to be confident in those choices, regardless of what your mother-in-law is saying, regardless of what your sister might be saying or how they did it, you get to make a choice. It really comes down to that.

I’m very much present with choice, very much present with every single thing that I'm choosing to do consciously. That's what I help people with. I help people navigate all those things inside themselves so that they can feel anchored in their sovereignty. I believe that when we're anchored in our sovereignty, then we have availability for deep connection and interdependence within our relationships.

[00:10:12] Emily Race: I interviewed a postpartum doula on a different episode and we talked deeply around how it's important that care for the mother postpartum also models or creates the space for that new soul, that new being who just arrived to experience what choice and freedom and pleasure looks like.

I love that you have that woven into the work you've done, and I'm so grateful that you're following your calling in this sense to support others because we truly, are in a time where we need to step more towards that liberation and that choice that comes from within.

I'm curious how you would define liberation, because I have my definition, and listeners may not even know what that means. How would you define liberation? 

[00:11:00] Kalah Hill: First I’ll define liberation for myself and then give a general definition of liberation that I think could apply to the majority.

The definition for liberation for myself is that I exist in a safe environment. My environment is safe and secure so that I can fully be in my expression. I choose and have agency over creating an environment that is safe and secure so that I can fully express and be in my deepest dreams, my deepest fantasies, my deepest desires in this reality.

It's also a manifestation practice of bringing deep desire, deep longing, deep nourishment to reality, and knowing that I have choice and access to those choices to create the liberation that I desire. I also support the desires of my friends, my loved ones and my colleagues, regardless of whether they have to do with me or not. I am reciprocated in that in all of my relationships. Other people support my desires, deep dreams and wishes whether they have to do with them or not. In that communal support, we create regenerative space together. This is what I love about liberation, about freedom, because I think a general definition of liberation is one where you get to define it for yourself, like what freedom means to you is true and what freedom means to me is true.

Liberation, to me, is access. Liberation is choice. How you define yourself is your choice, and you should have access to that definition in defining your life.

I also feel that liberation is interconnected, that we are not free until we are all free. I believe that my liberation is inherently interdependent with yours. I am in service to the liberation of everyone, because I am in service to my liberation. That is a simultaneous act of freedom.

It can get pretty complex when we have ideas about what would be best for other people, so sovereignty is another definition of how I define liberation. It’s the establishment of sovereignty and the establishment of interdependence.

[00:13:40] Emily Race: Beautiful. You just spoke about feeling safe and having an environment where you can dream, and that's one thing I'd love to create for you right now. What are your dreams of what the world could look like from a place of liberation and pleasure in everything that you are dreaming?

[00:13:58] Kalah Hill: Oh, it is one of my favorite places to go. I love the space. I love the fantastical. I love that humans have access to that. I did a study. It seems like octopus's dream and bats dream. Cats and dogs have dreams. But these creatures, these other species besides women, I'm curious if they daydream, if they're consciously aware with imagination, which I'm not sure they are. I investigate my cat a lot, and I don't think she's fantasizing about much when she's awake. I think she's quite present to just the reality. Which is also a great gift and I'll talk about that more.

So yes, my dream, my vision, is really sexy, very attuned to sensual expression and liberation of the embodiment of that, however that comes forward for anyone and everyone. I want every single body to feel pleasure. I would love to live in a world where everyone had access to their pleasure and access to their sensorial, embodied expression of that pleasure, and however they would want to express that. I would love to be in an environment where people felt safe enough and honored enough to live out those sense expressions.

I have found those spaces from time to time actually. I'm part of a couple of sex positive communities, and I find a lot of liberation, in going to different events and sex parties that allow me to really inhabit that sensual, sexual liberated self. That's where I've found a lot of joy and reprieve from the outside world. It feels like a really safe bubble of testing how far we can expand, be willing to take responsibility for saying yes in community and hold accountability when people might be activated or things might go awry. It’s working as a community to repair what boundaries may have been traversed or trespassed.I find a lot of liberation in that.

I imagine a world where everyone is making love to each other. 

I have such a dream of the conversion and the alchemy being one that is contrived from love making– love making not just in the physical sense, which I practice on more of a personal level, but in all senses. In a spiritual sense, in an energetic sense, in a physical sense, in a mental sense. How are we making love as a way to conceive new worlds?

I think that a lot of times we go towards the pain, which is another conduit for alchemy and one that I am deeply aware of and deeply respect and honor.

I don't think that this is better or worse, but you did ask me about my dream. And my dream is to go in the other direction. I would love to go in the other direction and really see what can manifest from a space of care, from a space of love, from a space of surrender where people let down their guards and open up to the softness of change, to the grief. I feel that grief is really woven into this landscape as well, because the more I've surrendered and opened and received my satisfaction and satiation, I have had deep, communal, cathartic experience of expression, whether it be deep sadness or deep rage that has been able to come through in the process.

Within the tapestry of care, instead of that pain coming out in an environment of war and isolation, what if it came out in an environment of love and reciprocity? What would be birthed from that? It's not excluding what we would call negative sensation. It's including and inclusive of every expression. And that's what I dream of. I dream of a world where the inclusivity of all of our sensorial sensational beingness and experience is allowed, is accessible, is tended to, is sovereign and is cared for in this. That's the world I dream of.

[00:18:54] Emily Race: Thank you for sharing that. I have more questions, but I want to acknowledge what you just shared. It's so beautiful because I see the contrast of where you were talking about that sexual sensual freedom and I even felt in my own body these blocks that we have inherited. I don't know where they came from, maybe this religious background. I don’t know how you would describe how we got to where we are now of severe repression and oppression, but there is something really beautiful and fantastical to imagine that has been lifted and then we can experience sensual and sexual pleasure in our bodies in safe spaces.

Is there anything that opened up for you that you want to touch on?

[00:19:34] Kalah Hill: I would say a big factor is yes, the church. I would say it's colonialism. I would say it's white supremacist delusion that has become a real reality and then the dismantling of those things over time.

Also, I think that sometimes when we dream big, we will attach quantity instead of quality. My dream is not so much about quantity. It's not so much about every single person in the world is doing this all the time, every day, Monday through Sunday, without a break or anything like that.

Nothing else is happening, just this sexually fluid, liberated space where all 8 billion people on the planet are participating. To me it's more about quality, it's about shared resources that’s quite localized. I don't see this as something that is necessarily for the masses at this moment, because the structure that is needed in order for safety in these spaces is one that is very new to the majority of people on this planet.

I'd say that Black, Indigenous and queer folks are the leaders right now in this movement and have the majority of skill to actualize, facilitate and hold space for these types of places to exist in safety.

It’s actually much better when it's smaller, when we localize it and we concentrate our effort in a specific area and not try to make it the next trend. To me, freedom is not a trend. It's not something that I want to go viral, because when things go viral, then people are just copycatting.

Listen, my dream of liberation, my dream for the world is not what everyone else dreams of. I believe that there is space for everyone's dreams. Someone's dream could be completely opposite from mine, and there should be space for that as well. It's not a quantity thing. It really is a quality thing, and I think it's a direct experience thing. I'm not preaching this to anyone. I'm sharing myself with the world, and whoever's in– call me up. I'm available to receive you if this resonates. And I'm also available to never know you if it doesn't resonate.

[00:22:16] Emily Race: I appreciate how you course-corrected that, because one thing that I've talked with other folks about is that colonization, white supremacy, the church and those mindsets are really based in globalization, in being massive, expansive. “How big can this get? How much can we influence?”

It feels radical and also like the way forward to approach us in the ways that you were just touching on. It’s local, not one size fits all. It's what you said at the beginning, that freedom looks different for every single person. And that's actually a really beautiful thing.

[00:22:46] Kalah Hill: Yeah, it is. It's a beautiful tapestry. I want to have conversation about it, too. I love hearing about other people's worlds. How tricky it has become for these worlds to get close to each other. But I do feel that we are in a moment where the worlds are becoming very much closer to each other. Various things, like technology, for example, have brought worlds really close to each other, worlds that we would've never seen before, we would've never even known existed. We're seeing it, almost in real time.

It's a lot of information to intake, and that's why I also go into the somatic side of things, because if we are going to base our reality off of information intake, then we are going to burn out.

If we can utilize other ways of receiving information, like somatically receiving information through the sensorial body, energetically receiving information through the energetic body, spiritually receiving information through the spiritual body, that diversifies our outlets of receptivity. I think that allows for healthier states of being in this age of humanity that we're in, where we’re inundated with information constantly.

How can we safeguard ourselves and others in our communities in a way that respects all of that information and all of those truths but also enables us to stay grounded while receiving all of that?

I go super slow. I take deep breaths as often as possible. I really am just interested, right? It's a curiosity. It's a flavor of, “Okay, what's that all about?” And to allow my microcosm to reflect what I would love to see in the macro.

I feel like that's what I actually have control in; how I'm showing up to my day and the interactions that I have on a daily basis with others is really creating my reality.

[00:24:52] Emily Race: It starts with our own actions, mindsets and experience for sure. There's something you touched on, the role of Black, Indigenous and queer leadership at this time. Can you speak more about that and how that also weaves into the vision that you’re living?

[00:25:05] Kalah Hill: The vision is liberation and love, and it gets more and more specific. I do feel that those under the constructs of imperialism and colonization have been the most marginalized under those delusions. I'm trying to be really clear that those narratives are false, and they are real at the same time. Can we hold that paradox with love and care as we traverse into a new reality together and dismantle that bullshit?

The people who have been most impacted and marginalized under those delusions are the people who understand the skills and tools needed to get out of those systems and to thrive.

Because we are still here and we are thriving. Black, indigenous people of color and queer folk are thriving. I'd say the institutions at large would not want you to see that. They don't want you to hear about it.  We are inundated with information on our suffering constantly. That is a conditioning as well.

I'm here to say, actually, we're thriving and we know how to thrive outside of these systems, and we've been doing it forever. At any moment of apocalypse they say, “Don't ask someone for directions. You haven't been to where you want to go, right?” So Indigenous people have lived the apocalypse.

Black people have lived the apocalypse. We're going through an apocalypse right now. Ask those who have been through it for directions. They know where to go. They know how to go. There's this Rumi poem about love, and I'm totally going to botch it, but it's somewhere along the lines of, reason tells you that there's only five ways out of this situation.

Love tells you, you actually don't know, but I do, and I've been there many times. So love to me is the common thread. If we can institute a loving practice, then we will not be led astray.  I'm always looking towards the people who have been through what we're going through.

Nothing about this moment is new. It's really just patterns on repeat that have been going on for thousands and thousands of years, and we're awakening to them. There are people who have been screaming “wake up” to them for thousands and thousands of years. Those are the people I'm listening to.

There's been warnings and signs about this for a long time.  I do think that Black, Indigenous and queer folk are the ones to really be paying attention to if you want to find resource and liberation.

[00:27:53] Emily Race: I deeply appreciate how you phrase it, and it does bring attention to how this is nothing new, but who we listen to can be new and who we center and support can be new. It goes back to what you said about one person's liberation is liberation for all of us and shifting that mindset around individuality or a hierarchy in a way.

[00:28:14] Kalah Hill: I'm still working on it, too. Even my explanation or answering of these questions, if we had this interview a week from now, would be different, right? There's always an evolving of an understanding of the reality and the present moment that we stand in. It's my practice to always be open to the inquiry and the exchange and the learning.

[00:28:43] Emily Race: When I initially discovered you and what you're creating in the world, this idea of pleasure capital really stuck out to me. I don't know if this actually relates to the actual tangible money experience or if this is a metaphor, but I would love for you to share more about that, because I will say from the context of capitalism and the world that we're in now, money definitely plays a certain role. Can you share more about pleasure capital and what that looks like?

[00:29:09] Kalah Hill: I'm exhausted by living inside capitalism.  I'm tired because it seems we have in many ways, specifically with money, put all of our eggs in one basket, if that makes any sense.

Money is, I would say, the most global form of exchange and value that the majority of human beings have brought into 99% of the world. Maybe there's a handful of Indigenous tribes who have been able to survive this wild frontier of fucking capitalism. But most of us haven't. I thought, “How can I diversify my understanding of wealth?” I can look at so many other aspects of resource as capital, as an investment, as wealth building and generative and a form of generational wealth that is not just financial, monetary exchange.

I realized, “Oh, pleasure, capital”. It popped in my head that way. Also, when I was taking the trauma of money course with Chantel [Chapman], the idea started to formulate there. What if there was this resource like money that was pleasure capital and we utilized it in the same ways that we utilize money, because I'm not opposed to the utilization of money?

I think that it's beautiful that we have created a form of exchange that we can all agree upon. But can we form other agreements as well, not just one way of agreeing that there's value being exchanged here and that it's really beneficial and that it's something that we can utilize for prosperity purposes?

I feel pleasure is one of those things. I also love pleasure because it's inherent.  You might not necessarily have been born with money, but every single person is born with access to pleasure. Therefore, they have a reserve of pleasure capital upon birth. It's an inherent, beautiful way to express the wealth of humans on this planet and to activate and cultivate that sense of wealth and wellness and health inside of our systems, understanding that we are wired for pleasure.

 You see it in babies, they're smiling very quickly. They're smiling, they're laughing, and there's this inherency. I wondered, how am I with this trust fund of pleasure? How am I securing this? How am I creating trust within my nervous system of this bounty of resource?

And how am I passing this on to my children's children and future generations? As a pleasure trust funder, so to say. I like the play on words because first of all, we're already conditioned quite heavily with the rhetoric and vernacular of financial literacy and money and how that is exchanged.

I thought, let me just replace that with pleasure because those pathways in the brain are already there, and bring in a new, interesting way of seeing ourselves as wealthy, rich, alive, cultivated people, so that the resources can be diversified. I also studied biology in undergrad and graduate school, and I love ecosystem based science.

A thriving ecosystem really thrives on diversity. We know diversification actually creates regenerative space. And with the tunnel vision, sometimes I wonder, what else is out there? What other resources are out there to make us feel really rich in all the ways that we can?

And to explain this to our children too, that you are rich because you are loved, you are rich because you express your emotions with such a liberty and fullness. You are rich because you have people in your life that show up and connect with you and love you.

You are rich because yeah, there is money in the bank. You are rich because we have been producing these beautiful things. It's not an either/or, it's a both/and.

[00:33:50] Emily Race: One thing that was reverberating as you were sharing all that is back to what you said about making love, like creating a new reality in the reality that we have now through love making versus being at odds or at war with that.

The way in which you took this current paradigm around capitalism and our relationship to money and then woven pleasure to that and almost helped to rewire ways that we think of wealth is so beautiful. I'm curious in your vision of the world, what does that exchange of pleasure look like, if you're talking about it in terms of another form of exchange?

As an example for me, sometimes the way I check is to ask, “Is this an exchange that feels mutually beneficial?” I'm checking in with my body and seeing if this feels good in my body. Do I feel like this is opening me up, or is this closing me off and I'm draining myself during this exchange? Is that an example or how else would you illustrate that?

[00:34:42] Kalah Hill:  I'll give an example of relationship with self and how you can build this exchange with yourself first and foremost, so that your body can attune to it.  You could spend money on a massage, right? You could say, okay, I'm taking this money, and then you go get a massage.

That exchange would add benefit and value to your overall sense of wellness, wellbeing and satisfaction. You could also sit down with yourself and not spend any money and start to just slowly caress your arm, right? Then say, Ugh, I love you, I love you skin, as you caress, and then maybe you start to massage and maybe start to kiss yourself lovingly. You spend however long you want on resourcing yourself through the pleasure you give yourself.

You have a pleasure practice. Maybe you draw a bath and you stroke yourself in the bath, and you stroke your hair and you lovingly make love to yourself. That is an exchange that is quite mutual, and it's you with you, right?  Let's just start small. Let's start at that micro scale just to get it before we extend out.

That is a very regenerative mutual exchange that you have produced with yourself onto yourself in respect of yourself, in reciprocity of yourself. And that relationship now is more integrated, more whole, more secure, more safe, more available, more accessible, right? All the things that we need for liberation have started to wire into your system through the exchange of pleasure to yourself.

You haven't spent one penny, right? You have just taken yourself on a date with the exchange of pleasure, said, You know what? I'm going to gift you. It is like a gift. This is something that's brought up in “Braiding Sweet Grass,” a beautiful book. I'm forgetting the author's name right now, but she talks about a gifting economy in a beautiful chapter in the book.

How nature works is reciprocity, but more so it's regenerative. It's about getting creative. 

I've been doing this lately in gifting pleasure, like buying her something. I said, I'd love to gift you on birthdays and stuff. I have a friend who's pregnant and instead of buying her something or this or that, I said, You know, I'd love to gift you some touch and some care and some generosity in bringing gratitude.

It was a blessingway, but different because it was more about her and how I appreciate her, how I love her, why I love her, words of affirmation. There was some touch, some kind of rubbing of her temples and of her belly and even before we had the session, I told her that I was gifting her this, this was her birthday gift. She just started crying, because how many onesies does a new mom need? That seems to be what everyone's gifting them. I saw her whole body relax.

That, to me, is a really productive, thriving portfolio of pleasure. I made an investment and pleasure that day in just offering her the gift of love and gratitude and appreciation and satisfaction. You don't have to spend a dime, you really don't. Now, the environment that is created because we are still reliant on a system that is heavily reliant on financial exchange, right?

So the room in which we have the session is in a house that we pay for, right? So there, the money is interwoven. Again, it's not dismissed. It's just what else can we do in this space that we've created?

[00:39:13] Emily Race: Such a beautiful example. What comes to mind, especially with separation and division that also got amplified through technology and then COVID, and the needs that we had to actually isolate for a period of time, I feel this thirst to myself and in so many other people for the simple pleasures of being together in person, or human to human touch, or a hug. It's so beautiful how that's an example of that exchange that I think we all are really grieving, especially now.

[00:39:41] Kalah Hill: Yes. Oh my gosh. Extended hugs are the best. If you hug someone and linger, watch– they'll try to pull away, and you take more seconds. Time is another really fun resource to play with when it comes to pleasure practice. How are we spending our time? How are we utilizing those moments of opportunity to exchange pleasure with each other? Are we cutting them short? Are we saying, Oh, I gotta get to the next thing that's on the to do list? Or are we really satiating and marinating in the access that we have to these not just small or simple, but large, complex and intricate moments of pleasure?

[00:40:29] Emily Race: Beautiful. We're heading that direction, but I would love for you to share with listeners an action or an inquiry they can leave this conversation with.

[00:40:39] Kalah Hill: There are so many good questions. One question I love, if I'm in a hard place, is, “What is the next most loving thing I can do?”

Sometimes, the next most loving thing I can do is lie down. Sometimes, the next most loving thing I can do is be quiet and listen. Sometimes, the next most loving thing I can do is to say no. Sometimes, the next most loving thing I can do is brush my teeth.

Again, it's all of these micro choices that build and make your life. We string together these moments to create a life, and I love coming down so close to the moment that I can know the next best step. I don't see the entire stairway, right? We're shown the next step and then the next step.

Then it's in deep faith, right? What is the most loving thing that I can do next? If we step in love, if we take ten steps in love, by that tenth step, you're going to have formed deep trust in your nervous system. It's a wiring of trust that then builds a container of deep faith in your life. I think that when people have faith and they're attuned to that faith through loving practice, then you are available to live out your dreams. Without that faith and without that trust, I don't think that one can actualize and manifest that which they dream beyond themselves. There needs to be a deep practice of faith.

[00:42:41] Emily Race: I would love to know if there are any ways people could work with you, receive support from you or support what you're doing. What would that look like?

[00:42:51] Kalah Hill: There are so many ways. I love working one on one. I love my one on one practice. It's so deep and so intimate and so caring. I love the relationships that I build with my clients and, oh, it is really like making love. It is a way that I love to make love, in my one-on-one practice and service in that way. I'm going to be joining some online groups, but those are being orchestrated by other people where I'm just going to be a guest teacher or guest lecturer.

I would say my one-on-one practice is really what creates the most pleasure in my life. I sometimes will do group work. I'm also open to people forming their own groups. If you have a group of friends, a group of colleagues, families, couples… If two or more exist and you want to come together and utilize my services, I'm open to opening space for your group. I just don't know how much I'm going to be creating my own groups, if that makes sense.

If you have a group that wants to come to me, I’m so happy to share, teach and facilitate. You can do either group coaching or a combination of group coaching and workshopping. I have a bunch of different workshops that I teach, a bunch of different PowerPoint slides, all of the things around pleasure, capital investing, our pleasure pleasure for liberation.

I'm also really open and wanting to cultivate more clients who are seeking to practice polyamory and practice it ethically, because that is something that I've been practicing now for five years. I'm so satisfied  and it's been wonderful. I have a client right now who actually came to me and she is just thriving stepping into a polyamorous dynamic with her husband. It's been really fun to see that I actually know what I'm talking about in this realm because I have a lot of experience in that as well.

I'm really open and you can go to my website and book a discovery call. It's a free 45 minute conversation. Even if you're just interested in chatting with me or interviewing me for another podcast, whatever it is, please, I'm here. I am available for conversation and dialogue. 

[00:45:24] Emily Race: How can we support you?

[00:45:25] Kalah Hill: Telling people about me, sharing that this is available, that this service is available, that I'm available, that liberation is available to them. So much of my practice is really through word of mouth. I'd say 90% of the clients that have come to me have been through referrals and through recommendations and word of mouth and friends saying, “Oh, you gotta meet Kalah. I met her down in Costa Rica, or I met her up in New York.” Then I have a conversation with this person, and then they become a client. It's very supportive to me because again, I'm not dismissing money in any way. I'm saying money is a really beautiful thing that I would love to cultivate and have more of that security in my life so that I can be more of service and that really comes through way of my clients. I am a one woman show and I'm a solo entrepreneur, so the most supportive thing is to refer, and reach out and hire me. I am here to give service. I'm ready. 

[00:46:27] Emily Race: Well, I hope people take you up on that. I know I will. I am left full of pleasure from our conversation. It was really an important one, and I am grateful for you and everything that you're creating, so thank you.

[00:46:41] Kalah Hill: Thank you, Gorgeous. Yes. It's been a pleasure.

[00:46:46] Emily Race: Thank you for listening to this episode of the Founding Mother's podcast. This podcast is produced and hosted by me, Emily Race, and edited by Eric Weisberg. If you want to support the show, please leave us a rating or share this episode with the important people in your life. We’d also love to hear from you. If you or someone you know would be a great guest to share about their vision for the world, you can email  emily@founding-mothers.com or visit www founding-mothers.com/podcast.