Emily Race-Newmark: [00:00:00] Welcome to This is How We Care, a podcast where we look at what it means to embody care, not as an individual practice, but a collective one, and to see what kind of world emerges from this place.

Thank you for being here. I am your host, Emily Race.

Today, we are fortunate to be sitting down with Sara Elise, who among being and creating many things, is the author of the book, A Recipe for More, a book that I have personally devoured and cannot recommend highly enough. 

Sara Elise: When I say "A Recipe for More", I'm not talking about more stuff, more things more money. That's nice if that is something that you want and feels like it's not connected to your ego in some way. 

But the "more" that I'm talking about is this spiritual abundance, this reciprocity of energy that happens in a community when folks feel like they have everything they need to not just be [00:01:00] in survival mode, trying to make ends meet, but to actually thrive. That's the abundance that I'm talking about. 

Our cultures obsession with celebrity and wealth, that's the type of abundance that capitalism promotes. It's this idea of the American dream, right?

If you get these things, then you will get to this place where you're fulfilled and happy and you have everything that you need and everyone will be jealous of you and it'll feel so good. 

And that just is, completely false. The American dream ideal is this idea that you can do all of this on your own. You're the individual who made this happen, and now everyone's gonna celebrate you and your life will be fulfilled. 

Whereas the abundance I'm talking about can't happen on your own, which is a lesson that I learned again and again, coming from a family that really taught me well how to be an island.

So I learn [00:02:00] all the time that the abundance that I'm continuing to seek and uplift is something that happens in tandem with other people around me. For me to be abundant, my friends also have to be abundant, right? Without my community, then the abundance that I'm talking about is not possible or relevant or meaningful.

Emily Race-Newmark: Today's conversation with Sara Elise will really bring us into a dreaming space of imagining what's possible in the world, beginning from a place of connecting with our own power of choice. While some of our episodes are more topically specific, I'd like to think that this conversation is really just about dreaming itself, about allowing ourselves and giving ourselves permission to shift the power dynamics around us by reclaiming our own power, to create a life that aligns with our values and nourishes us and our communities from the inside out.

I'm really excited to share this with you. 

We originally recorded this conversation together in July of 2023. 

Sara Elise: I'm currently in my home space in [00:03:00] Brooklyn living a completely different life than 10 years ago, because I have questioned everything very consistently and very incessantly and that's really allowed me to constantly take inventory of my life, even though I am afraid and even though I have these self-doubts like everyone does, I'm allowing myself to also then make all of these changes that actually feel better for who I know myself to be.

I was working in investment banking which everyone who I tell that to now is just what? You, it makes no sense. Which I'm like, great, thank you. I would never want it to make sense that I worked in investment banking. That space and that world is not for people like me. And it has nothing to do with me.

 When I was working in investment banking, I thought I had gotten there by doing the right thing. My entire life I was on this path [00:04:00] of getting good grades in high school and then, Going to a really great university and going to business school and interning and networking and doing all these things and masking everything about who I was so that I could fit into these structures that I deemed as the ultimate success structures. If I make it to these places with these types of people, then that's what success means in the world.

And so therefore, that's what success means to me. 

When I did all the things and played the game really well, because I'm a great autistic actor, I got there and was so wildly depressed and unhealthy and had this crazy awakening where I'm spending my weekends doing activist work with Audre Lorde Project, and then I'm going to work for this bank that is, you know, the, the juxtaposition were really present and I was feeling so fractured and [00:05:00] misaligned.

 In that complete depression that I was experiencing, I then was able to move outside of these social structures of what's expected of me and figure out actually what I wanted to be doing and how I wanted to be taking care of myself because I wasn't taking care of myself at all. 

And nothing about our world and society's version of success tells us to take care of ourselves, right?  Wellness is now is something that's more of a focus, but back then no one was talking about it. It was literally just like if you worked a hundred hours a week, that was like a badge of honor. Oh, great job. Yeah, no I hit a hundred hours last week. And why are we bragging about this? Why are we proud of the fact that we don't have any hobbies? Because don't know what to do outside of working.

We don't know how to cook or take care of ourselves or make anything that actually feeds and nourishes us. We don't know how to build [00:06:00] relationships with people IRL, because we're so focused on this technology driven world that we live in.  All of these skill sets that are actually so crucial to our wellbeing as individuals and also in community with each other, I had no idea how to do because I had never worked them, because I never had been told to.

I really started questioning what was happening and why I had thought that this was version of success that was meant for me. That has led me to this life that I live now, which is filled with much pleasure and rest and connection and feels like a fulfilling life that I get to choose every day. 

And yes, there are bad days and there's days where I'm just drowning and lost in the depths of my mind and need to use all of my tools and resources.

And then there's days where I can't even do that, [00:07:00] but now at least I feel like I'm on a path of agency. A path that I'm choosing and a path that's grounded in things that matter versus things that I've been told to do or prioritize.

Emily Race-Newmark: I'm so happy you're elevating that part of your story, cuz I underlined it a million times in your book. It really was such an authentic and relatable, for me, telling of first the process of getting to a place of creating a life that actually isn't for you.

And then the unraveling of that. And I would imagine that many people can relate to it in some level. We do live in a world where we are encouraged outside of us, of what we should be doing or what's good for us. It's a revolutionary act to question those things and actually take the brave steps in some instances to shift who we're being and what we're giving our energy and attention to.

What does that life of your own creation look like now? What are some of the things that are fulfilling to you in this moment? 

Sara Elise: When I [00:08:00] left banking, I left to redesign my life. But what I was doing to make money was I founded a sustainable catering and design company called Harvest and Revel, and it really just started by me taking walks around my community and going to neighborhood gardens and talking to folks and trying the food and the produce and then beginning to cook with it because I was like, I have no idea what I want to do or what I like to do other than doing drugs and drinking.

So what else can I do? I love to eat, so maybe I'll try cooking. And that just spawned this deep interest once I realized how different food affected the way that I felt, affected my mood, affected how my brain performed. That was so interesting to me. And again, no one was really talking about this then, so I didn't really have these resources and was just diving in on my own.

[00:09:00] And then started hosting these seasonal pop-up tastings where I was like, guys, let's everyone come to my house and I'll make a menu and we can talk about the food that we're eating and talk about our feelings and how it makes us feel. And my friends were like, we love you, so we'll support you.

But no one was doing food popups like I didn't even have the language for that. It wasn't a thing. Then the company was founded after people were coming to these events and then being like, can you do this for me for my birthday? Or I wanna host a baby shower. Can you do this for that?

And again, there weren't really any sustainable catering companies that were focused on using organic and all natural ingredients. Now that's like a trendy thing, which again, is wonderful. But that wasn't really happening then. So Harvest and Rebel was created and now I run the company from afar. I have a team of chefs and sales folks and client [00:10:00] managers who do all of the day-to-day stuff. 

I also run and co-founded with my ex-wife a hospitality project that centers queer and trans people of color, called Apego Collective. That's based in San Juan Sur Nicaragua. It's a beautiful little surf town. We've created a safer space, cuz no space can be fully safe, but a safer space where folks who are queer and trans and gender nonconforming and people of color can come to feel community and feel like they can hold their lover's hand by the pool or have their bodies out and not have everyone staring at them and being weird and creepy which seem like small things.

But when you are traveling as a person of color or a queer gender nonconforming person, you don't get to experience the vacation or [00:11:00] the location the way that other folks who don't have to worry about these things get to experience because you're constantly focused on your survival or the permission behind something like, can I kiss this person, or can I take my top off even though I've had top surgery or can I go into this bathroom? Your nervous system is in a completely different place. That's gonna affect the mood that you have, how you're responding to your friends and how you're responding to your partner, the types of connections you can build.

So much of my work is focused on creating safer spaces for folks in my communities to have their baseline needs met so that they can experience things like pleasure and rest and joy and celebration which are things that everyone deserves to experience. 

And then other than that, I wrote a book,

Yep.

so that's very exciting.

I was working on that the past couple of years. And then I do occasional modeling [00:12:00] and different brand stuff for money. Cuz that's needed a lot of times for people and me as well.

Just opening my energy to being in a space of being receptive to projects that come my way and feel aligned.

I also recently consulted on a TV show. I typically work with two to three clients at a time and do wellness coaching, which is I help folks with accessing pleasure and figuring out how to redesign their lives.

So really being open and receptive to things that feel aligned with what I'm trying to embody and also put out into the world is where my workflow currently stands.

Emily Race-Newmark: It's so delicious. It's also a real testament to how like, things are not linear. We don't have to stay on one path our entire lives, and you have permission to change your mind or try new things or let things evolve.

Sara Elise: Yeah, a hundred percent. One of my life themes is not how do [00:13:00] you change your mind irresponsibly, right? If you have a commitment, it's not just oh, I don't feel like doing this anymore. So next. 

That's the balance of, how do you honor your commitments and honor a life of deepening versus just seeking every time you change your mind with the wind.

But ultimately, overall, how do you give yourself permission to let go of past versions of yourself that no longer serve you, and really continue this search for accessing your ultimate self.

Emily Race-Newmark: With your help, I wanted to define the focus of your book. So the title is A Recipe For More, and something that really jumped out to me is you used this analogy of our life being like a recipe. I recall you saying you have a focus of what the foundation of the dish may be, but then you can play with different ingredients and kind of experiment.

How would you describe the intention of the book and why someone might wanna pick it up?

Sara Elise: Yeah, it's my recipe for creating [00:14:00] a life of your choosing that's filled with abundance and filled with ease, which I think are important things to note because I'm not arguing for here are these 10 steps that you need to work really hard to put into place so that your life can be different.

Instead, I'm sharing through a series of stories about me and also connecting with folks who I admire in my community. About anecdotes. These are the ingredients that work for me in my recipe as a way to show you that these ingredients are possible, even for someone who's black and indigenous, queer, autistic, femme. 

That's where I'm coming from and if I've been able to do all of these things to create this recipe for abundance that actually is filled with ease in my life, then hopefully the takeaway is that you can too. Anyone can. 

It's just about choosing that you want to and then doing other [00:15:00] things too that I talk about in the book.

Emily Race-Newmark: In the beginning of the book there was some cultural context that in black and indigenous communities, there's out of survival, almost that inner oppressor that can meet the external oppressor.

I don't know if I'm narrating that accurately, but that's why like a book like yours could be so revolutionary in the sense that doesn't have to be the case, moving forward. 

Sara Elise: Yeah, absolutely. It's not minimizing the voice of the oppressive systems with which we live in, but it's saying instead of taking on that voice as our own. How do we create a voice for ourselves?

Emily Race-Newmark: Let's get into that dreaming space together where anything could be possible. Broadly, if you had a magic wand, what would you love to see around you in the world?

Sara Elise: Firstly, I wish I could put cis men through some rehabilitation project or something that no femmes and women would have to do any labor for.

It would just be in the matrix, they have a new downloaded way of being. Because I [00:16:00] think that cismen cause a lot of pain and trauma in the world. And again, it's not their fault. It's the way that our entire patriarchy has been set up.

It doesn't serve them. It doesn't serve us. If they could just receive this new download where there was a compassion and an understanding and an equality of seeing themselves as connective with all beings versus in charge of, or in competition of or in control of, I think that it would solve a lot of the pain and destruction and stupidity and toxicity in the world, and I would love that.

And honestly, give me a refresher. Give us all a refresher of a new download that puts us all in a space that feels equal.

So that, I think would be my first matter of business. 

Emily Race-Newmark: I wanna dive into that deeper, cuz it's not even to like vilify cismen, but to really look at the programming, that the majority of cis men have [00:17:00] been given,

Sara Elise: From the Matrix that we currently live

Emily Race-Newmark: right.

So you're describing a world in which all people, cis men included, are operating from a place of interconnectivity, compassion, and you really distinguish something beautiful around, it's like, no longer about controlling or trying to fix or be in charge of, but what are we observing instead? How would you

Sara Elise: Yeah. And then people can decide the roles that they want, right? I love a role. I love not being in charge. I love someone being in charge of, but I wanna consent to that, right? I want it to be negotiated. I don't wanna feel like just because someone thinks they're in charge of me now, they don't take me seriously, or they don't listen to me, or they feel like they have access to my body. 

Emily Race-Newmark: To bring consent into the conversation, what is your vision for what consent would look like or how would we be playing with that in this world?

Sara Elise: Yeah, I love consent because it's all about our ability to choose, right? 

One of the major themes of my book is, as a [00:18:00] person in the world, in your body vessel, you should have the ability to choose what happens to your body, what your life looks like, who you engage with, who you love, the work you do.

It's just all about choice. And so many people in the world don't have choice because of external situations. And then so many of us also because of how we've been brainwashed, subconsciously choose to give up our choices. 

Emily Race-Newmark: To me a close cousin relative of consent is the boundary conversation and how we set and receive boundaries from other people. So yeah, just paint a picture for us around what that might look like in this ideal world.

Sara Elise: Yeah, I also love boundaries. I think that boundaries are how we can communicate our language to other people and have them understand it in a framework that makes [00:19:00] sense to them. And boundaries, like you said, kind of go hand in hand with consent. if we can all choose how we want to feel in the world and how we want to interact with other people then when something doesn't feel the best for us, we can choose to not do that anymore and communicate that and share that with people. And folks will respect it.

Emily Race-Newmark: Yeah, to respect that, what do you think that requires?

Sara Elise: It's not as easy as it sounds, as someone who has attachment insecurity a lot of times logically I can respect someone's boundaries. So let's say a partner's like, I don't wanna talk about this anymore. Let's table it for another time. Because of my attachment insecurity, that might send off a panic in my brain of you don't wanna talk about it.

It means you don't love me. You're abandoning me. You don't [00:20:00] actually wanna be with me anymore because you don't wanna talk about, so then I'm not now responding to what they're saying. I'm responding to my fear and then I'm projecting my fear onto them. 

respecting boundaries is easier said than done.

It's something that you can force yourself to do out of respect for who is giving it, but to have you actually respect it in your body takes a lot of deep work and deep excavation of the things that come up for you when people give you a boundary. 

And it's good to notice, right? If someone says, oh, actually that doesn't feel good for me, I'm gonna pass, or No, I don't wanna hang out. What happens in your body? When people say those things to you? Are you just oh, okay, cool, sounds good.

Do you feel cool with some people, but not cool with other people? So if your partner says, no, I don't wanna talk about it, you're fine. But then if your parent says, I don't wanna talk about [00:21:00] it, you panic. Observing what comes up in different moments when people have boundaries with you and also figuring out when it comes up, does that then mean that you minimize your boundary with the person around that same theme?

 Because you're panicking when someone says they don't wanna talk right now, do you force yourself to talk even when you don't wanna talk right now? Because you don't want to create a reaction in them, right? 

Emily Race-Newmark: Yeah, I mean interrelated to this is the whole insecure attachment, secure attachment and some folks may not understand what that means. I encourage you to do some research.

It's very enlightening, but also from a dreaming space, are you dreaming of a world where we all have baseline, secure attachment with one another? Or what's the dream for attachment?

Sara Elise: That would be lovely if we all just had secure attachment with each other. Everything would be so much more calm. I think it has to do with scarcity too. If we alleviated the [00:22:00] scarcity, then a lot of the attachment insecurity wouldn't be there because a lot of the insecurity is based on a scarcity of attention or love.

If those things didn't exist, then we would all feel abundant, love and attention. 

Emily Race-Newmark: That's really interesting. Yeah. What else feels really alive for you that you would love to see more of in the world?

Sara Elise: This is like beyond all the big things, I would abolish capitalism or stuff like that, but more specifically, I would love if everyone had access to whole organic food. That would change so much, beyond alleviating world hunger, but so much of even what's given out in schools or in community free food projects or stuff like that is shitty food. It's sugar and stuff that is creating all these illnesses in people [00:23:00] from a young age. 

Imagine what the world could look like if folks in all communities could have access to plentiful gardens and also garden education that they learned in schools, which honestly, I would also say abolish the schools at this point.

We need a completely new system of raising and also learning from young people and evaluating how they contribute to the world. 

Education around how to grow and harvest and prepare food that helps your body and helps your mind. That would take away so much illness.

It would take away so many mental health issues. The world would just be a completely different place just with that one fairy magic wand.

Emily Race-Newmark: Yeah, I'm even thinking like ecologically, the way that the soil would respond to that or the plant animal life. 

So this is a topic I'm really passionate about myself because I've driven across the country a number of times and seen [00:24:00] food deserts and seen the ways in which people don't have access to what you're speaking about, or even just food sovereignty.

And so I'm just curious, Being someone who actually it has an intimate relationship with making food, sharing with others. what have you seen or what would you like to see in terms of how you relate to food? 

Sara Elise: I think that our relationship with food would look the way that I envision our relationships with each other looking, so slow and intentional and treating food, and treating eating and consumption as this meditative ritual versus as something that we just need to do or as an obligation. 

What does it look like to have a sensual meal with someone that you love? So many of us who have access to it, don't even do that.

My world would include a lot of cooking together and eating together, and you don't need to cook. You can have a friend that cooks and just [00:25:00] get to really be present and enjoy the experience.

Again, it would have to start with people having access because for the folks who don't even have access to the type of food that I'm engaging with, you don't even get the privilege of getting to have a present relationship with food. 

Emily Race-Newmark: Yeah, something that's coming up for me as you talk about this sensuous relationship with food is the cadence and pace of life. There is this undercurrent of I gotta get back to what I was doing. Or I have to eat this while I do X, Y, z, multitask, barely even digest.

What's a rhythm, a cadence that you would like to see pulsing around you?

Sara Elise: I think it changes, right? It changes with the astrology, it changes with where I'm at in my cycle, but I think the rhythm is whatever rhythm feels appropriate based on the current time and space for my flow. And a lot of ways that capitalism [00:26:00] and adhering to this culture of " busy" messes with us is that we think that we're supposed to have this same manic pace for the entire yearlong cycle.

It's like okay we'll take a week vacation where we fake slow down cuz we don't even know how to relax. 

Where are we pausing for when we're on our cycle? Where are we pausing for when we need rest? Where are we pausing when we want to prioritize sharing a meal or having a connective moment with a loved one versus working in that moment? 

We're so geared to this production mentality that we're not allowing ourselves to be in a natural flow with the rhythm of ourselves and what our body needs, and also the flow of the earth around us. So I think the cadence would be flexible to allow for what we need.

Emily Race-Newmark: It's like cyclical. 

You shared something in the book around your shift in perception around wintertime. I was [00:27:00] born in December and I always hated that time of the year, and it just felt ugh, where's the summer birthday parties everyone else gets to have and recently in my life I've just been like, this is such a delicious time to cocoon to go within, to cuddle up, to reflect. I just wanted to highlight that, that it sounds like you're speaking about enjoying each moment for what that is that energy provides or that season is offering.

Sara Elise: Because it's all there for us, right? And that's where the ease perspective also comes from. Why are we forcing things when the gifts are right in front of us? 

Why not just accept that this is the gift of this moment. December is such a juicy time, right? So I love that you're leaning into that now and really cherishing it cuz it's so special.

Emily Race-Newmark: I wanted to bring it back to environments of safety.

You, you said something really wise around perhaps you cannot create an environment of complete safety, but maybe more safety. So there's a lot of ways that it looks like you're creating that in your own life. And I also [00:28:00] read in your book that, as an autistic person, there's many spaces that maybe, I don't know if you would say are unsafe, but aren't cohesive with the way that your mind may work .

So what might environments around us, spaces, design spaces look and feel like?

Sara Elise: I think about this often because I'm confronted with it every day, but I think that a safer world environmentally would feel like a less stimulating world for everyone, not just for autistic people. Everyone actually responds better and their nervous systems feel more at peace when things are less stimulating.

And if that's not the case, it's usually because we're having these adrenaline responses that we deem as exciting or that is now in my comfort zone. But it's not actually, your cortisol levels are not saying that it's something that you need.

So I think that the world would be much [00:29:00] quieter. We don't need blasting police sirens. I don't know if you've spent time in Europe, but the police sirens are like, like they're so chill. Everyone moves over. Everything is just a lot Less abrasive. And I think that a world that would feel better for everyone would be a less abrasive, a less sharp, a less loud, a less bright world.

And I honestly I'm kind of a conspiracy theorist person, but I think that the reason, especially in the United States where it's not, is because all of these things are put in place for us to constantly feel stressed and like we're not doing enough, and that we need to work and produce more and do more things.

 If the world felt like a spa, then we would literally just be resting all the time, eating grapes, feeding each other, right? We would all be so calm. But because it doesn't, we're just so anxious and feeling like [00:30:00] we need to be plugged into everything. And yeah, I would wanna move away from that a lot more.

Emily Race-Newmark: I recently went camping and I was just my nervous system after those four days, I think what it was is what you're speaking about, there was not this crazy stimuli. there was a lot to be in relationship with, to be connected with, to see, but it was a softer way of doing so, it was more like a ooh, discovering something and I totally hear you. It's like our attention is just being called for by so many things and then if we're always distracted in that way, we can't really listen to ourselves and what we need. 

Sara Elise: Exactly. And it keeps us numb and it keeps us searching and, that's not what we want in the new world. 

Emily Race-Newmark: No. Well, This is a, message to listeners that if you haven't already decided that you wanna read Sara Elise's book, pick it up, and then there's a great section, I forget the name of the person who wrote it, but about black minimalism. I feel like that is a great excerpt to highlight what you're speaking about also.

Sara Elise: My partner Ryan actually wrote that. So it was [00:31:00] very special cause they've been in my life for close to 15 years, but we, in the past four years have reconnected and developed this really beautiful relationship. And we talk a lot about everything in my book all the time. It's just the way we live our lives.

But they have taught me so much about black minimalism and how minimalism is such a beautiful framework to apply everywhere in your life which I hadn't realized. And so the more I can apply it to every situation, the more kind of what you're saying you're removing all this stimuli from your space, but also from maybe your job or from your relationships.

You can remove all this external stimuli that is distracting and parse out the distractions to get to the core of the connection.

Emily Race-Newmark: Yes. 

One last question on the vision that feels important to highlight is this [00:32:00] idea of queering friendships. And it goes in hand with what communities might look like, what our friendships might look like.

 What is your vision for how we might tend to, honor, care for our friendships?

Sara Elise: Yeah.  Treating our friendships as integral parts of ourselves and our life and our life building, really investing in our friends the same way we do our family and our partners, and taking away the binary that a lot of us have of " these are my friends and this is what we do. We drink, we hang out, we have a fun relationship, we party together. And then this is my partner who I am romantic and sexual with. And then this is my family who I actually, rely on for things that I need because they owe me." 

None of us actually owe each other anything.

And we can build a more fortified life and community if we allocate our resources and also [00:33:00] our expectations and our desire for building a life together with many people, not just one person, or not just compartmentalizing it into these defined groups that are defined from these archaic viewpoints that we've been told that don't really make any sense.

 Going back to what you were saying about mothering, so many mothers are constantly struggling because we don't provide the support that they need. And a lot of times they don't know that they can ask for help because we don't tell them that they can. We're like, you are a mom now you have to do all this by yourself.

Good luck. You got it. You're strong, you're resilient. That makes no sense at all. What if we created a network that moms could feel held in so that there was this reciprocal energy exchange that we also, people who aren't moms also [00:34:00] benefit from. And the young person also benefits from, and we all benefit from this energy exchange that we can recreate a life with.

 Yeah, I'm just interested in that. I'm interested in not what we've been told or the pathways that we've been going down our whole life, but how do we question all of that and get to a new place that actually feels connective and mutually beneficial and abundant.

Emily Race-Newmark: Okay. So as we now wrap up that visioning section, I like to direct us towards some actions because I think this is such a beautiful world to dream of, to even look for evidence of in our lives. But then, how could we start doing things differently, think about things differently to bring this world here and now?

If folks could pause this podcast right now and take an action, what would that be?

Sara Elise: I would say to pause and do a body scan check-in, and to actually sit with anything that comes up for even five minutes. Like what we were [00:35:00] saying, a lot of the numbing comes from this reaction of not wanting to listen to ourselves and a lot of the working constantly causes this lack of listening because we don't have time with ourselves ever. And so then we get into this habit of constantly overfilling our schedule, even in a, our free time. So even in listening to the podcast, it's my question is, can you pause and sit and listen?

And I think that the answers that come from that space and the more comfortable folks get with that type of relationship to self, will help a lot of things in the world.

Emily Race-Newmark: Then perhaps they will add their own vision versus just being like, oh, this is what Sara Elise said, so I should do this.

Sara Elise: Exactly. And that's what I say a lot in the book. It's not about me. This is the way I do things and I haven't known anyone else to do things like this, so that's why I'm sharing it so that I can give you permission to do things, how you want to do things.

That's the [00:36:00] whole point.

Emily Race-Newmark: Beautiful. 

Amazing. Amazing. we covered a lot of ground here. Lots for folks to digest, to chew on, to think about, and to practice.

So thank you so much Sara Elise for who you are and all that you are birthing and creating in this world, and I hope you get some good rest after this. 

Sara Elise: Thank you. Likewise, Emily. Thanks for having me. 

Emily Race-Newmark: Thank you so much for listening to this episode. If this conversation with Sara Elise resonated with you and you want to dive deeper, here are a couple of ways to do so.

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This episode was produced by me, Emily Race, co produced by Kimberly Anne, with editing from Andrew Salamone, and music by Eric Weisberg.